Pioneer BDR-X213 / X13

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W Japonii dostępny już najnowszy zewnętrzny napęd Pioneer BDR-X13J-S USB 3.2
Cena netto w Japonii ~~1150zł
https://jpn.pioneer/ja/pcperipherals...x13j-s/bundle/

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Pioneer BDR-X13J-S fw.1.01
https://www.cdrinfo.pl/bios/22093072948

[Quintam]

[misiozol]

No, fiu, fiu elegancka

[Quintam]

HP 6x BD-R
MID: CMCMAGBA5
BDR-X213 (1.04) (QUALITY MODE)
OPC = Yes
@ 4x

[Stingray]

I've recently recorded about 100 discs with this MID code on 2 Pioneers.
it seems for me OPC better to switch off and all quality options in Pioneer utility also off.

[Coopervid]

Napisany przez Stingray

I've recently recorded about 100 discs with this MID code on 2 Pioneers.
it seems for me OPC better to switch off and all quality options in Pioneer utility also off.

Discs w/o layer break (25GB) are usually a no brainer for any BD drive. Even using a LG drive.

[Stingray]

Napisany przez Coopervid

Discs w/o layer break (25GB) are usually a no brainer for any BD drive. Even using a LG drive.

YES, but without OPC I received constantly lower LDC|BIS.
as about LG, recently I checked also a jitter and was surprised ASUS 16 FW3.11 on 4x has better jitter with CMCMAGBA5 than 2 my Pioneers at any speed
based on my table for CMCMAGBA5:
ASUS16 4x - Jitter avg 9,1%
Pio205 6x -10,1% (at lower speed jitter is higher for example for 2x -12,2%), but LDC|BIS are better at 2x
PioS12 2x - 9,6% (at higher speed jitter is higher)

[Coopervid]

Napisany przez Stingray

YES, but without OPC I received constantly lower LDC|BIS.
as about LG, recently I checked also a jitter and was surprised ASUS 16 FW3.11 on 4x has better jitter with CMCMAGBA5 than 2 my Pioneers at any speed
based on my table for CMCMAGBA5:
ASUS16 4x - Jitter avg 9,1%
Pio205 6x -10,1% (at lower speed jitter is higher for example for 2x -12,2%), but LDC|BIS are better at 2x
PioS12 2x - 9,6% (at higher speed jitter is higher)

I never noticed read failures based on jitter. Only based on LDC / BIS. We had some discussions about critical LDC / BIS values on a PM base in the other forum.

[Stingray]

Napisany przez Coopervid

I never noticed read failures based on jitter. Only based on LDC / BIS. We had some discussions about critical LDC / BIS values on a PM base in the other forum.

Yes I remember thank you.
I also found this recommendation:

[Quintam]

Millenniata M-DISC 4x BD-R
MID: MILLENMR1 (000)
BDR-X213 (1.04) (QUALITY MODE)
OPC = Yes

@ 4x

[jadburner]

Napisany przez Stingray

YES, but without OPC I received constantly lower LDC|BIS.
as about LG, recently I checked also a jitter and was surprised ASUS 16 FW3.11 on 4x has better jitter with CMCMAGBA5 than 2 my Pioneers at any speed
based on my table for CMCMAGBA5:
ASUS16 4x - Jitter avg 9,1%
Pio205 6x -10,1% (at lower speed jitter is higher for example for 2x -12,2%), but LDC|BIS are better at 2x
PioS12 2x - 9,6% (at higher speed jitter is higher)

Coopervid is correct. Jitter does not seem to affect the readability of a Blu-ray disc. This is also my conclusion after burning and testing several thousand Blu-ray discs. The far more relevant and useful tests are LDC/BIS and a read test (TRT).

[jadburner]

Napisany przez Quintam

Millenniata M-DISC 4x BD-R
MID: MILLENMR1 (000)
BDR-X213 (1.04) (QUALITY MODE)
OPC = Yes

@ 4x


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Your CMCMAGBA5 and MILLENMR1 tests look excellent, Quintam.

[Stingray]

Napisany przez jadburner

Coopervid is correct. Jitter does not seem to affect the readability of a Blu-ray disc. This is also my conclusion after burning and testing several thousand Blu-ray discs.

I'm not arguing, I was just surprised that ASUS/LG writes with better jitter

[jadburner]

Napisany przez Stingray

I'm not arguing, I was just surprised that ASUS/LG writes with better jitter

We appreciate you sharing that information. Are the LDC/BIS results comparable from all three drives for the same MIDs?

Your point about OPC off giving better results is also true most of the time. There are a few drive/MID exceptions, but you're generally better off leaving OPC set to off/no.