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Verbatim DVD-R 16x AZO 50pcs Spindle
MCC 03RG20
Pioneer BDR-XD08 1.02
Nero Burning Rom v27.0.14
@2x

I don't know how old the DVDs are but it says, DVD-R v2.1 / 1x-16x (Rev 6.0)

I have now upgraded firmware but not burned any more discs, and for some reason I could not limit the read speed of Opti Drive Control.

Asking in this thread because I have a BDR-XD08 drive. It was on firmware 1.02 and I did burn discs to test it out. The quality tests in this thread seems nice if you have the right media.

I had to use a old computer to run Opti Drive Control in order to check my CDs and DVDs. It has a Pioneer DVR-117L IDE drive and the disc scan did not indicate that the quality was good. I wanted better quality burns.

I am wondering if that old hardware could have an impact on reading the media, I also found information in this forum that you should test reading it back at 2x when checking disc quality. Something I did not do so I am going to redo the scans. It did surprise me that the Verbatim DVD-R discs did not indicate higher quality. The disc I burned at 2x was much better compared to the burn at 6x.

For best quality with a slim drive like XD08 should you always burn as slow as possible ?

Will an AC adapter have any impact on the results when burning a disc ?

I have also tested older Verbatim DVD-R discs that I know are like 15 years old by now and they read good and is of great quality. But they where all burned on Pioneer DVR-106 up to DVR-117 devices, 5.25 units in computers with IDE or SATA connection.

At the moment I can not test BD-R but I did burn a old Traxdata BD-RW at 2x and did copy it back in a old BDR-206 drive. No problems but this is a RW disc.

Verbatim BD-R MDISC Pritntable BOX 4x
VERBATIMe (000)
Pioneer BDR-XD08 1.04
Power2Go 11
@2x

https://forum.cdrinfo.pl/attachments...atime-000-.jpg

The burning quality has deteriorated compared to 4x, you can compare here
https://forum.cdrinfo.pl/attachments...atime-000-.jpg

Verbatim BD-R MDISC Pritntable BOX 4x
VERBATIMe (000)
Pioneer BDR-XD08 1.04
With spare area
Power2Go 11
@4

https://forum.cdrinfo.pl/attachments...-sparearea.jpg

Last attempt with spare area. Comparing these (3 in total) images suggests that these media are of very variable quality.

Sony BD-R 1-4x slim
RITEKBR2 (000)
Pioneer BDR-XD08 1.04
Power2Go 11
@2x

https://forum.cdrinfo.pl/attachment....1&d=1753795883

The recording quality is slightly better than 4x, you can compare here:
https://forum.cdrinfo.pl/attachments...hite-label.jpg

Cytat:

Napisany przez Stingray (Post 1474140)

It seems you bought not very good bd-rs

I know. Paradoxically, I got 3x worse results with Spare Area than without it (when burning 4x). It seems that these media also have mixed quality on one spindle. But it was cheap, less than 1 EUR per piece, so I didn't lose that much.

Cytat:

Napisany przez huh22 (Post 1473987)

Maybe there are some worse batches of these media in circulation, I don't know.

It seems you bought not very good bd-rs
Verbatim 6x Pioneer BDR-205 Imgburn 6x OPC off
but I had a possibility to select several good batches from a couple thousands discs, and I remember that quality was very different for this MID code
https://i.ibb.co/fVxvBRMv/verb25pio2...e-v2-plex2.png

MediaRange cake 6x
CMCMAG-BA5(000)
Pioneer BDR-XD08 1.04
Power2Go 11
@2

https://forum.cdrinfo.pl/attachment....1&d=1753608207

The burning quality at 2x speed was no better than at 4x speed.
You can compare here:

https://forum.cdrinfo.pl/attachments...g-ba5-000-.jpg

Verbatim BD-R MDISC 4x box
VERBATIMe (000)
Pioneer BDR-XD08 1.04
ImgBurn 2.5.8.0
@4x

https://forum.cdrinfo.pl/attachments...0-imgburn1.jpg

For comparsion:
VERBATIMe(000)
LG-BH16NS55 1.05
ImgBurn 2.5.8.0
@4x

https://forum.cdrinfo.pl/attachments...0-imgburn2.jpg

The result with ImgBurn is no better than with Power2Go 11 (compare here "forum.cdrinfo.pl/showpost.php?p=1473760&postcount=105") and I didn't expect it either. Maybe there are some worse batches of these media in circulation, I don't know.

Bad result. It's time to compare to Imgburn.

Sony BD-R 1-4x slim
RITEKBR2 (000)
Pioneer BDR-XD08 1.04
Power2Go 11
@4x
On the cover is japanese text (in translation) - White level (compatible with inkjet printers), but the surface is pearly white and smooth, I've never seen such a surface designed for printing.

https://forum.cdrinfo.pl/attachments...hite-label.jpg

For comparsion:
Sony BD-R 1-4x slim
RITEKBR2 (000)
LG-BH16NS55 1.05
Power2Go 11
@4x

https://forum.cdrinfo.pl/attachments...ite-label2.jpg

Imgburn is very good software and very small.
I see just one "-" point of Imgburn - no multisession available.

Burning is so much yesterday and if you do so you should check out what's working best and not assuming anything. Comparing 2 bad apps doesn't say anything about the third. Imgburn is mature, not old. LUK always refrained from updating it because he saw no reason why to do it.

I can do it when I have enough data to burn. But we've already used two different pieces of software (CDBurnerXP and Power2Go 11) and different drives (Pioneer BDR-XD08 and Verbatim 43888). Both results were bad.

Imgburn might be old but it is still considered to be the best burning software. I agree completely with jadburner's comment. So why don't you make your own burn comparison between Power2Go and Imgburn to see if that affects anything or if it is just caused by the discs?

I don't believe the problem is with the Power2Go, plus it was packed right with my Pioneer. A friend of mine burned this media at 2x speed on his Verbatim 43888 (with CDBurnerXP 4.5.8.7123) and the result was only slightly better than with my Pioneer 4x. You can see it in thread "Verbatim 43888-KIAB". ImgBurn is very old and I had problems with it burning media (CD or DVD, I don't remember) on some new Liteon burners so I don't use it.
I bought these media directly from German Amazon, in the attachment is a picture of the box.

huh22 - I'm getting MUCH better results with M-DISC VERBATIMe. It's possible you got a bad batch, but the quality of those discs is usually pretty consistent. You may wish to try a test burn using ImgBurn instead of Power2Go. Earlier version of Power2Go, at least, were known to produce inferior burn quality.

Verbatim BD-R MDISC Pritntable BOX 4x
VERBATIMe (000)
Pioneer BDR-XD08 1.04
Power2Go 11
@4x
https://forum.cdrinfo.pl/attachments...atime-000-.jpg

For comparsion:
Verbatim BD-R MDISC Pritntable BOX 4x
VERBATIMe (000)
LG-BH16NS55 1.05
Power2Go 11
@4x

https://forum.cdrinfo.pl/attachments...time-000-2.jpg

This is a big disappointment with these expensive media.

https://forum.cdrinfo.pl/attachment....1&d=1751124327
https://forum.cdrinfo.pl/attachment....1&d=1751124424

MediaRange cake 6x
CMCMAG-BA5(000)
Pioneer BDR-XD08
Power2Go 11
@4x

https://forum.cdrinfo.pl/attachment....1&d=1751124489

For comparsion:
MediaRange cake 6x
CMCMAG-BA5(000)
LG-BH16NS55
Power2Go 11
@4x

https://forum.cdrinfo.pl/attachment....1&d=1751124532

This medium didn't appeal to either Pioneer or LG, but the result was really bad on LG.

Thanks for the info, I'll try again when I have some really bad brand of discs.

For some multi-layer discs- to avoid problems at the layer break.

And may be for 1 layer discs with small local defects
for example - see my test with BD-RE
I have several Mitsubishi BD-RE made in Japan with such high MAX LDC|BIS
https://ibb.co/Yx7J8rT
https://i.ibb.co/Cf54vrs/post-1.jpg
https://ibb.co/Yx7J8rT
after 9-th record with preferred format the level of MAX LDC/BIS significantly lower
https://ibb.co/VY9NYpwr
https://i.ibb.co/RTbST4jZ/post.png

https://ibb.co/VY9NYpwr

I understand.
Would you recommend it for any other mid's?

you do not need "Format defect area in ImgBurn with Preferred" for this mid with showed level of LDC/BIS.

>Hardware defect management is usually best used on multi-layer discs, to avoid problems at the layer break.

Thanks for the information. Anyway, I don't think I can do anything wrong with it, only the burning speed will be slower. I have some other media and will try them over time, I don't have enough data to burn yet.

Welcome to the forums, huh22! That particular MID (CMCMAG-BA5) is either very good or very bad. The Verbatim branded ones (and some MediaRange) are almost always excellent, but most others are low quality as you're seeing. You will see the same results on all Pioneer drives that I've tested.

Pioneer drives are excellent burners in general, unless you feed them bad media. If you can, try burning some media of known good quality to see if you get better results. If not, you may have a bad drive or one that needs cleaning.

Hardware defect management is usually best used on multi-layer discs, to avoid problems at the layer break.

Niska jakość nagrywania

Hi, sorry for writing in English (below is a Polish translation from translator), but this is probably the last live forum dealing with burning
CD, DVD, BDR media.
The thing is that I recently bought a Pioneer BDR-XD08 from a private seller on the marketplace
and tried to burn it to relatively cheap JVC BD-R media with CMCMAG-BA5(000).
Unfortunately, you can see the results in the attached pictures. I thought Pioneer was a good brand of burners, it is recommended everywhere, maybe this model is not so good? Or was I unlucky with bad media? But my other burner LG-BH16NS55 burned it much better. It is not a super-quality recording, but the difference is big.

Witam, że ostatnio kupiłem na marketplace od prywatnego sprzedawcy nagrywarkę Pioneer BDR-XD08 i próbowałem wypalić na stosunkowo tanim nośniku JVC BD-R z CMCMAG-BA5(000). Niestety wyniki widać na załączonych zdjęciach.
Myślałem, że Pioneer to dobra marka nagrywarek, wszędzie jest polecana, może ten model nie jest aż tak dobry? A może miałem pecha z niewłaściwymi nośnikami? Ale moja inna nagrywarka, LG-BH16NS55, wypalała znacznie lepiej. Nie jest to super jakość zapisu, ale różnica jest duża.

JVC BD-R slim 1-6x
CMCMAG-BA5(000)
Pioneer BDR-XD08
@4x
Format defect area in ImgBurn with Preferred (Power2Go 11 probably can't create defect area due to some internal error, it was described on some forum and also the burning time confirms it)
Burned in Power2Go 11 with "Enable defect management"
https://forum.cdrinfo.pl/attachments...g-ba5-000-.jpg

JVC BD-R slim 1-6x
CMCMAG-BA5(000)
Pioneer BDR-XD08
@4x
Without formating defect area in ImgBurn
Burned in Power2Go 11 with "Enable defect management"
https://forum.cdrinfo.pl/attachments...g-ba5-000-.jpg

JVC BD-R slim 1-6x
CMCMAG-BA5(000)
LG-BH16NS55
@4x
Format defect area in ImgBurn with Preferred
Burned in Power2Go 11 with "Enable defect management"
https://forum.cdrinfo.pl/attachments...-ba5-000-2.jpg

Digistor 6x BD-R DL
White inkjet hub printable
CMCMAG-DI6 (Made in Taiwan)
BDR-XD08LE (1.00)
OPC off
@ 6x

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Digistor 6x BD-R DL
White inkjet hub printable
CMCMAG-DI6 (Made in Taiwan)
BDR-XD08LE (1.00)
OPC off
@ 4x

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Digistor 6x BD-R DL
White inkjet hub printable
CMCMAG-DI6 (Made in Taiwan)
BDR-XD08LE (1.00)
OPC off
@ 2x

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Digistor 6x BD-R DL
White inkjet hub printable
CMCMAG-DI6 (Made in Taiwan)
BDR-XD08LE (1.00)
OPC on
@ 6x

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Digistor 6x BD-R DL
White inkjet hub printable
CMCMAG-DI6 (Made in Taiwan)
BDR-XD08LE (1.00)
OPC on
@ 4x

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Digistor 6x BD-R DL
White inkjet hub printable
CMCMAG-DI6 (Made in Taiwan)
BDR-XD08LE (1.00)
OPC on
@ 2x

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Verbatim DataLifePlus 6x BD-R
White inkjet hub printable
VERBATIMe (Made in Taiwan)
BDR-XD08LE (1.00)
OPC off
@ 6x

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Verbatim DataLifePlus 6x BD-R
White inkjet hub printable
VERBATIMe (Made in Taiwan)
BDR-XD08LE (1.00)
OPC off
@ 4x

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Verbatim DataLifePlus 6x BD-R
White inkjet hub printable
VERBATIMe (Made in Taiwan)
BDR-XD08LE (1.00)
OPC off
@ 2x

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Verbatim DataLifePlus 6x BD-R
White inkjet hub printable
VERBATIMe (Made in Taiwan)
BDR-XD08LE (1.00)
OPC on
@ 6x

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Verbatim DataLifePlus 6x BD-R
White inkjet hub printable
VERBATIMe (Made in Taiwan)
BDR-XD08LE (1.00)
OPC on
@ 4x

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Verbatim DataLifePlus 6x BD-R
White inkjet hub printable
VERBATIMe (Made in Taiwan)
BDR-XD08LE (1.00)
OPC on
@ 2x

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Verbatim 4x BDXL
White inkjet hub printable
VERBATIMk (Made in Taiwan)
BDR-XD08LE (1.00)
@ 4x

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Verbatim 4x BDXL
White inkjet hub printable
VERBATIMk (Made in Taiwan)
BDR-XD08LE (1.00)
@ 2x

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Sony 4x BDXL
White inkjet hub printable
SONY-NQ1 (Made in Japan)
BDR-XD08LE (1.00)
@ 4x

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Sony 4x BDXL
White inkjet hub printable
SONY-NQ1 (Made in Japan)
BDR-XD08LE (1.00)
@ 2x

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