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Stingray 09.09.2024 21:13

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Napisany przez jadburner (Post 1469736)
We appreciate you sharing that information. Are the LDC/BIS results comparable from all three drives for the same MIDs?

Your point about OPC off giving better results is also true most of the time. There are a few drive/MID exceptions, but you're generally better off leaving OPC set to off/no.

Multisession, opc off and 5 drives

1 Pioneer S12 1.03 2x
2 Pioneer 205 1.12 2x
3 ASUS16->lg 58 1v5 4x
4 Asus16 3.11 4x
5 Pioneer S12 1.03 4x
6 Pioneer 205 1.12 4x
7 Pioneer S12 1.03 6x
8 Pioneer 205 1.12 6x
9 Pioneer S12 1.03 8x
10 Pioneer 205 1.12 8x
11 Asus16 3.11 6x
12 Sony 5300 2.03 6x hypertuning on
https://i.ibb.co/F6yTV9g/verb-25-multi5.jpgupload image

Pioneer 205 glued sessions to compare (higher speed - lower jitter :-):
https://i.ibb.co/pL4D9fp/205.jpgfree image hosting

Pioneer S12JX (a positive correlation - jitter/LDC with speed):
https://i.ibb.co/H7kJFvk/s12jx.jpg

jadburner 09.09.2024 20:53

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Napisany przez Stingray (Post 1469735)
I'm not arguing, I was just surprised that ASUS/LG writes with better jitter

We appreciate you sharing that information. Are the LDC/BIS results comparable from all three drives for the same MIDs?

Your point about OPC off giving better results is also true most of the time. There are a few drive/MID exceptions, but you're generally better off leaving OPC set to off/no.

Stingray 09.09.2024 20:19

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Napisany przez jadburner (Post 1469732)
Coopervid is correct. Jitter does not seem to affect the readability of a Blu-ray disc. This is also my conclusion after burning and testing several thousand Blu-ray discs.

I'm not arguing, I was just surprised that ASUS/LG writes with better jitter

jadburner 09.09.2024 20:06

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Napisany przez Quintam (Post 1469729)
Millenniata M-DISC 4x BD-R
MID: MILLENMR1 (000)
BDR-X213 (1.04) (QUALITY MODE)
OPC = Yes

@ 4x


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Your CMCMAGBA5 and MILLENMR1 tests look excellent, Quintam. :spoko:

jadburner 09.09.2024 20:04

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Napisany przez Stingray (Post 1469717)
YES, but without OPC I received constantly lower LDC|BIS.
as about LG, recently I checked also a jitter and was surprised ASUS 16 FW3.11 on 4x has better jitter with CMCMAGBA5 than 2 my Pioneers at any speed
based on my table for CMCMAGBA5:
ASUS16 4x - Jitter avg 9,1%
Pio205 6x -10,1% (at lower speed jitter is higher for example for 2x -12,2%), but LDC|BIS are better at 2x
PioS12 2x - 9,6% (at higher speed jitter is higher)

Coopervid is correct. Jitter does not seem to affect the readability of a Blu-ray disc. This is also my conclusion after burning and testing several thousand Blu-ray discs. The far more relevant and useful tests are LDC/BIS and a read test (TRT).

Quintam 09.09.2024 18:47

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Millenniata M-DISC 4x BD-R
MID: MILLENMR1 (000)
BDR-X213 (1.04) (QUALITY MODE)
OPC = Yes

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Stingray 09.09.2024 17:41

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Napisany przez Coopervid (Post 1469720)
I never noticed read failures based on jitter. Only based on LDC / BIS. We had some discussions about critical LDC / BIS values on a PM base in the other forum.

Yes I remember thank you.
I also found this recommendation:
https://i.postimg.cc/w3Mf0TdV/BIS.jpg

Coopervid 09.09.2024 16:52

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Napisany przez Stingray (Post 1469717)
YES, but without OPC I received constantly lower LDC|BIS.
as about LG, recently I checked also a jitter and was surprised ASUS 16 FW3.11 on 4x has better jitter with CMCMAGBA5 than 2 my Pioneers at any speed
based on my table for CMCMAGBA5:
ASUS16 4x - Jitter avg 9,1%
Pio205 6x -10,1% (at lower speed jitter is higher for example for 2x -12,2%), but LDC|BIS are better at 2x
PioS12 2x - 9,6% (at higher speed jitter is higher)

I never noticed read failures based on jitter. Only based on LDC / BIS. We had some discussions about critical LDC / BIS values on a PM base in the other forum.

Stingray 09.09.2024 14:10

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Napisany przez Coopervid (Post 1469708)
Discs w/o layer break (25GB) are usually a no brainer for any BD drive. Even using a LG drive.

YES, but without OPC I received constantly lower LDC|BIS.
as about LG, recently I checked also a jitter and was surprised ASUS 16 FW3.11 on 4x has better jitter with CMCMAGBA5 than 2 my Pioneers at any speed
based on my table for CMCMAGBA5:
ASUS16 4x - Jitter avg 9,1%
Pio205 6x -10,1% (at lower speed jitter is higher for example for 2x -12,2%), but LDC|BIS are better at 2x
PioS12 2x - 9,6% (at higher speed jitter is higher)

Coopervid 08.09.2024 23:32

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Napisany przez Stingray (Post 1469703)
I've recently recorded about 100 discs with this MID code on 2 Pioneers.
it seems for me OPC better to switch off and all quality options in Pioneer utility also off.

Discs w/o layer break (25GB) are usually a no brainer for any BD drive. Even using a LG drive.

Stingray 08.09.2024 20:47

I've recently recorded about 100 discs with this MID code on 2 Pioneers.
it seems for me OPC better to switch off and all quality options in Pioneer utility also off.

Quintam 06.09.2024 13:34

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HP 6x BD-R
MID: CMCMAGBA5
BDR-X213 (1.04) (QUALITY MODE)
OPC = Yes
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misiozol 06.09.2024 12:11

No, fiu, fiu elegancka ;)

Quintam 06.09.2024 12:00

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czary2mary 03.04.2022 07:43

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