Pioneer BDR-X213 / X13

[czary2mary]

W Japonii dostępny już najnowszy zewnętrzny napęd Pioneer BDR-X13J-S USB 3.2
Cena netto w Japonii ~~1150zł
https://jpn.pioneer/ja/pcperipherals...x13j-s/bundle/

[czary2mary]

Pioneer BDR-X13J-S fw.1.01
https://www.cdrinfo.pl/bios/22093072948

[Quintam]

[misiozol]

No, fiu, fiu elegancka

[Quintam]

HP 6x BD-R
MID: CMCMAGBA5
BDR-X213 (1.04) (QUALITY MODE)
OPC = Yes
@ 4x

[Stingray]

I've recently recorded about 100 discs with this MID code on 2 Pioneers.
it seems for me OPC better to switch off and all quality options in Pioneer utility also off.

[Coopervid]

Napisany przez Stingray

I've recently recorded about 100 discs with this MID code on 2 Pioneers.
it seems for me OPC better to switch off and all quality options in Pioneer utility also off.

Discs w/o layer break (25GB) are usually a no brainer for any BD drive. Even using a LG drive.

[Stingray]

Napisany przez Coopervid

Discs w/o layer break (25GB) are usually a no brainer for any BD drive. Even using a LG drive.

YES, but without OPC I received constantly lower LDC|BIS.
as about LG, recently I checked also a jitter and was surprised ASUS 16 FW3.11 on 4x has better jitter with CMCMAGBA5 than 2 my Pioneers at any speed
based on my table for CMCMAGBA5:
ASUS16 4x - Jitter avg 9,1%
Pio205 6x -10,1% (at lower speed jitter is higher for example for 2x -12,2%), but LDC|BIS are better at 2x
PioS12 2x - 9,6% (at higher speed jitter is higher)

[Coopervid]

Napisany przez Stingray

YES, but without OPC I received constantly lower LDC|BIS.
as about LG, recently I checked also a jitter and was surprised ASUS 16 FW3.11 on 4x has better jitter with CMCMAGBA5 than 2 my Pioneers at any speed
based on my table for CMCMAGBA5:
ASUS16 4x - Jitter avg 9,1%
Pio205 6x -10,1% (at lower speed jitter is higher for example for 2x -12,2%), but LDC|BIS are better at 2x
PioS12 2x - 9,6% (at higher speed jitter is higher)

I never noticed read failures based on jitter. Only based on LDC / BIS. We had some discussions about critical LDC / BIS values on a PM base in the other forum.

[Stingray]

Napisany przez Coopervid

I never noticed read failures based on jitter. Only based on LDC / BIS. We had some discussions about critical LDC / BIS values on a PM base in the other forum.

Yes I remember thank you.
I also found this recommendation:

[jadburner]

Napisany przez Stingray

YES, but without OPC I received constantly lower LDC|BIS.
as about LG, recently I checked also a jitter and was surprised ASUS 16 FW3.11 on 4x has better jitter with CMCMAGBA5 than 2 my Pioneers at any speed
based on my table for CMCMAGBA5:
ASUS16 4x - Jitter avg 9,1%
Pio205 6x -10,1% (at lower speed jitter is higher for example for 2x -12,2%), but LDC|BIS are better at 2x
PioS12 2x - 9,6% (at higher speed jitter is higher)

Coopervid is correct. Jitter does not seem to affect the readability of a Blu-ray disc. This is also my conclusion after burning and testing several thousand Blu-ray discs. The far more relevant and useful tests are LDC/BIS and a read test (TRT).

[Stingray]

Napisany przez jadburner

Coopervid is correct. Jitter does not seem to affect the readability of a Blu-ray disc. This is also my conclusion after burning and testing several thousand Blu-ray discs.

I'm not arguing, I was just surprised that ASUS/LG writes with better jitter

[Stingray]

and full sessions by drive (OPC off imgburn):
1. Pioneer 205 FW 1.12 2x (best by LDC/BID avg)

2. Pioneer 205 FW 1.12 6x (best by LDC Max)


3. ASUS16 FW 3.11 4x

4. ASUS16 FW 3.11 4x

[jadburner]

Thanks. That's a lot of information. Are you able to post a single DQ scan for the 205 and one for the 212J-X, burned at the same speed? Also, could you post as PNG instead of JPG? PNG scales better when zooming in. Thanks.

[Stingray]

Napisany przez jadburner

Thanks. That's a lot of information. Are you able to post a single DQ scan for the 205 and one for the 212J-X, burned at the same speed?

same MID as mentioned before
I picked almost the best scans
Pioneer BDR-205 FW1.12 2x off

jitter

Pioneer BD-R-S12Jx FW 1.01 2x off


jitter